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Thai-Indonesia:A View From Outside

Thai-Indonesia:A View From Outside

As posted few weeks ago, again, GNFI needs to underline that Thailand is the most serious competitor for Indonesia in many ways. Both are rice producers, natural product exporters, Southeast Asia’s two biggest car manufacturers, rich of cultural heritage, have long historical path, and many more. Thailand’s economy is almost half-sized of Indonesia’s. It enjoys reputation as one of world’s most visited countries since long time ago, a close ally of the US, a close friend of China, and one of ASEAN’s backbones.

Thailand are ‘battling’ other countries in ASEAN to attract foreign investment, which has been proven as the vein of its vibrant and blossoming economy for years. However, due to some political events that troubled the ruling administration, many investor are now in wait-and-see mode. However, once all settled, Thailand would be as gigantic as before. While Indonesia, has been enjoying political stability, investors confidence, and progressive growth of economy, and investment. All positive parameters are up for Indonesia.

I found an interesting article from the Nation, an english newspaper in Thailand, about how he relates Indonesia and Thailand. Enjoy

Akhyari – GNFI
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WHERE ON EARTH does the mere mention of the name “Bangkok” bring a breath of fresh air or a smiling face? Again, which country has a common history with Thailand that dates back thousands of years? Can you name a country that can be a democratic force for Asean along with Thailand?

The answers are simple. It is Indonesia – a country under the global microscope at every turn. This is a country where the Thai energiser drink, Krathing Daeng (Red Gaurs), has made hundreds of millions of dollars since its introduction in 1980′s. Thai flagrant rice, tom yam, durian and varieties of Thai fruits delight Indonesian palates everyday. To average folks there, “Bangkok” conjures up good quality, good food and freedom.

Within Asean, Indonesian people are the friendliest towards Thailand. They look up to the Thais as resourceful and fun-loving people. Our democratic experiences, both in the 1970′s and then the 1990′s, inspired the Indonesian young for generations when the country was under the Suharto dictatorship. Prior to 2001, Thailand was the textbook for political experiment and freedom of expression for Indonesian intellectuals, lawmakers, politicians and media. Now the tide has turned. They have learned the Thai lessons well, avoiding the pitfalls of Thailand’s 78-year political wilderness.

The country’s huge territorial size and Muslim population, as well as its economic dynamics and resource-rich archipelagos used to be identifiable qualities of the world’s fourth largest country. What has made the greatest impact on Indonesia these days has been its nascent but stable democratisation since 1998. Indonesia is no longer the turtle – the slowest mover or denominator of every scheme in the region. Its vibrant democracy, steady economic growth and increased confidence have attracted visits by dignitaries from around the world. Indonesia is proud of its branding as the world’s third largest democracy, after India and US.

Yesterday, the two countries quietly commemorated the 60th anniversary of their diplomatic relations. Obviously, the general public of the two nations are not deeply aware of this important event. In Thailand, the focus remains on political stability. Down in Indonesia, the planned visit of US President Barack Obama and his family later this month has dominated the daily conversations ever since it was announced last year. Obama’s four-year elementary schooling in Menteng provides such a wonderful and powerful backdrop for the US return of re-engagement with Southeast Asia. What he says and does in Indonesia will be scrutinised and remembered for years to come.

Although current Thai-Indonesia friendship cannot match the kind attracted by the personality of Obama, we can however delve into the past for inspiration. King Chulalongkorn visited Indonesia – known to the Siamese at the time as Java, three times (1871, 1896 and 1901) throughout his reign, bringing back all the best Indonesian culture had to offer: language and literature. His first trip when he was young was the most impressive. He was eager to learn from the local people and their direct interaction with the Dutch colonisers. He did the same in Malaya which he visited nearly a dozen times for the British experience. King Prachathiprok made a similar trip in 1929. Only 10 years after the establishment of diplomatic ties, His Majesty King Bhumibol Adulyadej and Her Majesty Queen Sirikit paid an official visit there.

Contacts among common peoples were also in abundance in the old days.

The people from Makassar, South Sulawesi, had long emigrated northward to Ayutthaya, one of the trading hubs of old Southeast Asia in the 17th Century. They later moved and resettled in central Bangkok, which is the present-day Makkasan. Many Thai and Indonesia words and names are similar because of their Sanskrit roots. For instance, mentri, duta, wanida and swami mean minister, ambassador, woman and husband respectively. Names such as Suriya, Chandra, Aditya, Sawitri, Tri and Dewi are popular in both countries.

Long-lasting cultural imprints, beginning with the Buddhist Borobudur monument in Magelang, Central Java, can be found in the tale of the legendary Javanese prince in “Panji” called Raden Inu or Ino, who was popularly known to Thais as I-Nao for more than three centuries. King Rama II recomposed this classic into beautiful Thai verse, which has been a key source of traditional Thai songs and dances. Both countries continue to learn and draw inspiration from Ramaya and Mahabharata. In the front yard at the entrance to the National Museum of Indonesia, one can see a bronze elephant given by King Rama V. The list goes on.

What is sad about all these old tales and ties, they have yet to propel the current bilateral efforts to the next level. They are close and correct certainly, but they should be much closer and more intimate. The volume of two-way trade last year was only around 900 million dollars and Thai investment in the past three decades amounted to two billion dollars only. Old mind-sets among Thai businessmen and investors were to blame. They still believed they could arrive with some investment and then make money and leave (as they used to do in Laos, Burma or Cambodia). To be fair, few Thai companies have left a good reputation for their long-term and sustainable investment plans that include uplifting of livelihoods of local people and the improvement of infrastructure and communication.

When Foreign Minister Kasit Piromya met with Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono recently, he told the president that Indonesia should be the driving force in the promotion of democracy in Asean. Indonesia’s national resilience as well as lessons learned from its young but dynamic political development could be emulated in the rest of the region. “Thailand will do whatever it can to support Indonesia’s endeavour,” he reiterated. Coming from Thailand, it demonstrated the growing political clout of Indonesia and its ability to build up democratic values and institutions in such a short time.

Within Asean, the two were known for their common stands – wanting the grouping to be more open, democratic and protect its citizens from any form of human rights violations.

Apart from joining forces in promoting democracy in Southeast Asia, perhaps the two countries could also combine their culinary traditions.

Already, at Blok M in the heart of Jakarta, local shoppers can order a new menu – durian nasi goring or durian fried rice – for 15,000 rupiahs. It tastes awfully delicious.

(Thanks to Counsellor Patranan Pattiya for early Thai-Indonesia history).

Source : The Nation

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Indonesia, Thailand’s Most Serious Competitor

Indonesia, Thailand’s Most Serious Competitor

I found one interesting writing on the net, written by our fella Thai, and of course the writing should be seen from Thai perspective. In fact, I do believe that in Southeast Asia, Indonesia’s peers are not India, China, and nor Philippines (many said that Philippines is veering from track, and now lagging behind even countries like Vietnam). Rather, it is Thailand. Thailand and Indonesia share many things in common, only that Thailand’s population is way lesser. Both countries competing each other on many field, from attracting investors to becoming regional powerhouse for car producer.

This is not to compare Indonesia and Thailand, this is to show you, from Thailand perspective, that Indonesia’s current economic growth makes some of our neighbors nervous.  I have been to Thailand, and yes, I love it.

Now, enjoy this writing. I found it here.

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Indonesia Coming-On Strong: Challenges Thailand Directly

One of my friend is a high-paid finance director, an Indonesian executive in Thailand, Troy. Well, OK, you may ask if I am making all of this up as I go along or not. Well, that is why many of our readers find Thai Intelligence News such a crack-up, because you can never really tell what we are up to.

But the Bangkok Post just ran a story that Indonesia is planning to be the food or kitchen or something like that to the globe. Well, off course, that is what Thailand is trying to do as well.

But is it possible that Indonesia will become the kitchen of the world? Well, Troy talked about it a great deal.

Troy aside for now, but if you know Thailand well, like inside out, you know that Thailand has a very long tradition in agricultural. In fact, many Thai agriculturist, are the best globally like just so real cutting edge.

Well, there has been a trickle of news coming out here in Thailand, where the press is just so nationalistic, they forget or not interested to report a few things that have literally scared some Thai planners “Shitless” and that is that many countries have been recruiting the best Thai agriculturist-to go and work in their country.

And so for a few years now, Indonesia have come to Thailand to recruit the best and most talented. The Indonesia formula is great big track of land rich in volcano soil, plus money from the country’s richest people, a government that is open and welcoming to commercialized farms, and off course Thai talents.

Why did those Thais left home, their farm, and hefty consulting income in Thailand? One such Thai individual that went to put in Indonesian biggest orange orchid, said it pretty simply that, “I want to be a part of something historic, to be a part of something that has very long-term implications, and I am treated with respect in Indonesia.”
But back to Troy, what he said to this blog is that Thailand was where Indonesia was a few years ago-where contact and connection-by the upper-crust rule, controlled Indonesia.

“That is now mostly gone from Indonesia and many new wealth are emerging freely under a more or less equal opportunity,” said Troy.

In fact, with many economist, Indonesia, with an economy about twice the size of Thailand-had marched pass Thailand in leaps and bound. About 20 years ago, before the Tom-Yum-Koong crisis, there were a great deal of talk in Bangkok’s financial circles that Thailand will edge ahead of Indonesia to be the largest economy in ASEAN.

In fact, that is what the Thai central bank governor, said to the Thai press-about 6 month before the Tom-Yum-Koong crisis hit.

Thailand is now again in a crisis. Many foreign investors are now fed-up with Thailand. Thailand’s best stock market analyst, Dr. Kongkiat Opaswonkarn, told Thai Rath, a local press that he is not even thinking in terms of stock market anymore because it can always go up or down, but his worry is that “Global investors will just forget Thailand existed, all together.”

Indonesia move on agriculture, is just another country forging ahead. The former America head of the foreign chambers of commerce in Thailand, just put it pretty simply to the Bangkok Post’s rare cutting edge and frank report that, “Investors are heading to Vietnam.”

Then for some odd reasons, the Koreans are just totally in love with Cambodia. And you know how fashion conscious the Koreans are. Or Laos and the Australians. The Singapore relentlessness march to the point that the prime minister just came out to say to Singaporean business people, “The Island competitiveness can be improved by another 70%” or something like that.

Where is Thailand in all of that? Well how about a US$10-15 billion for a mass transit system so the rich people in Bangkok can have an easier life, and US$ billions more to pave little used road under the “No Dust Road” plan.

And like meanwhile, millions and millions of acres of land goes without a water system.

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